summary:

This conversation explores various aspects of cannabis culture, psychedelic experiences, and conservation efforts. The speakers discuss their experiences at the Terpene Ball, the cannabis scene in Tennessee, and the Enigma Gathering. They delve into the importance of conservation for toads, the debate between synthetic and natural psychedelics, and the role of love and responsibility in these experiences. The conversation also touches on the energetic imprint of medicines and the future of psychedelics, emphasizing the need for personal connection and understanding in the use of these substances.

keywords:

cannabis, psychedelics, conservation, THCA, mental fitness, energetic imprint, Kambo, Yeti Land, Terpene Ball, 5-MeO DMT

takeaways:

• The Terpene Ball is a unique event focused on cannabis concentrates.
• Tennessee has a burgeoning market for THCA products.
• Yeti Land is a festival with a heavy drug culture.
• MDA can provide a more visual and stimulating experience than MDMA.
• Conservation efforts for toads can be enhanced through responsible practices.
• The debate between synthetic and natural psychedelics continues to evolve.
• Psychedelics can help individuals understand their responsibilities and connections to others.
• Energetic imprint plays a significant role in the effectiveness of medicines.
• Kambo can serve as a powerful purging tool for various substances.
• The future of psychedelics may involve understanding the entourage effect.

Sound Bites:

• “Four hours of concentrate!”
• “Tennessee has a wide open market for THCA.”
• “Yeti Land was like a drug cartel.”

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction to Concentrate Judging and Cannabis Culture

03:02 Exploring the Cannabis Scene in Tennessee

05:56 The Enigma Gathering: A Festival Experience

08:53 Conservation and the Toads: A Discussion on Ethics

11:50 The Debate on Synthetic vs. Natural Psychedelics

14:44 Psychedelics and Personal Growth: A Lifelong Journey

17:35 The Role of Responsibility in Love and Psychedelics

20:34 Experiences with Combo and Other Healing Practices

25:13 The Intensity of Purging and Healing

29:37 Exploring the Benefits of Kambo and Venom Therapies

34:19 The Evolution of Psilocybin Potency

39:15 Navigating Fear and Education in Psychedelic Therapy

44:30 The Energetic Imprint of Psychedelic Substances

Transcript:

Psilo Toad (00:00.364)
Right now, parked out front of Cozy Cannabis Dispensary in Austin. we’re going to go in at 2.30. At 2.30 starts the Terpene Ball And we’re going to be judges, judging concentrate. We’re going to be smoking concentrate for four hours straight. Yeah, four hours of concentrate. so much concentrate that I won’t be able to concentrate.

Psilo Toad (00:06.972)
Very cool.

Psilo Toad (00:21.446)
D’oh! That’s really fucking cool. I’m jealous.

Psilo Toad (00:28.588)

Psilo Toad (00:28.929)
Yeah, Ben’s like, we have to

Psilo Toad (00:29.916)
podcast before, because we won’t have time. I’m going to be fucking flying, bro.

Psilo Toad (00:33.72)
So my

Psilo Toad (00:34.226)
girlfriend goes to medical school in Knoxville and I live here in Kentucky in my hometown and so we’re meeting. Yeah, in Knoxville, Tennessee.

Psilo Toad (00:39.566)
I lived

Psilo Toad (00:41.991)
in Knoxville way back in the day before I moved to Hawaii. My dad was a professor at UT.

Psilo Toad (00:45.951)
that’s awesome. She would love that. Very cool.

Psilo Toad (00:52.924)
Cool, yeah she goes to Lincoln Memorial there, it’s like a medical school. yeah, no, Knoxville’s great, but yeah, so we’re getting a hotel tonight in Nashville, and Nashville’s got a bunch of new dab bars. You can go and take THCA, like live resin dabs at the bar in Nashville. Yep, yeah I’ve…

Psilo Toad (01:05.294)
What the fuck that?

Psilo Toad (01:10.04)
What did I say? I knew it was coming. Because they don’t even have

Psilo Toad (01:13.792)
a program, right?

Psilo Toad (01:14.852)
I’ve been doing this for like a year or so now. Yeah, THCA is a very wide open market in Tennessee. There’s like dispensaries now in Tennessee and it’s just THCA flour, it just concentrates, it’s all of it.

Psilo Toad (01:21.974)
Open the doors.

Psilo Toad (01:27.147)
I’m gonna open the doors of your cops anywhere do they care here? So Tennessee has no medical program

Psilo Toad (01:34.876)
You

Psilo Toad (01:43.356)
No, I don’t believe so. yeah, THCA is just a wide open market for Tennessee. Some states are more restrictive with it, but Tennessee is like really wide open right now. So it’s really cool to see like in Knoxville, there’s a bunch of like Dab bars and dispensaries and stuff you can go to too. Yeah.

Psilo Toad (01:57.39)
Dude! So the

Psilo Toad (01:58.796)
people just decided it was legal. So they’re just getting ready.

Psilo Toad (02:01.702)
Mm-hmm.

Psilo Toad (02:03.022)
It was just kind of like this mass kind of like uprising with the THC a thing where so much money got put into like dispensaries dab bars Just there’s a huge flower market there So it’s just kind of become so like part of the ecosystem and economy that they’ve kind of let it go for a while I think there has been attempts at like legislature to limit it Regulate it and they might do that at some point but as of right now and for the past year or two It’s been a very very dense market in Tennessee and it’s been like a lot of fun to interact

Psilo Toad (02:32.996)
with because I can get to Tennessee in like 20-30 minutes from my house so yeah.

Psilo Toad (02:37.545)

Psilo Toad (02:37.896)
shit!

Psilo Toad (02:41.07)
should probably just be a little cautious with the smoke. I’m only suggesting that this place may be not necessarily a gas.

Psilo Toad (02:44.668)
Pshh!

Psilo Toad (02:48.284)
If you guys get arrested,

Psilo Toad (02:50.264)
we’re getting it on film on the podcast.

Psilo Toad (02:53.102)
It’s

Psilo Toad (02:53.248)
going to be on the podcast regardless. Can you hear the difference? Is there any difference with the car on as far as engine fan or static or anything that you could tell? Can I turn it back on?

Psilo Toad (03:05.69)
OK. Let’s just run it.

Psilo Toad (03:05.69)
No, I think it’s okay. Was there

Psilo Toad (03:08.681)
anything in particular y’all wanted to discuss today during the podcast?

Psilo Toad (03:15.054)
We just want to talk shit for the most part and I’d love actually to hear about your trip to the woods. I’d love to hear, what was it, Yeti land? I’d love to hear about that, bro.

Psilo Toad (03:18.15)
Dope.

Psilo Toad (03:20.954)
yeah yeah yeah yeah well I’ll be fast

Psilo Toad (03:27.738)
It’s called Enigma, the festival. It’s called the Enigma Gathering and it’s in this place called Yeti Land. So our business partner, Eric, he does like breath work and like all this shit there in Malibu. He’s a great guy, but he’s very well connected within that California scene and stuff. And so he knows this guy, Yeti, him and Yeti go way back and Yeti made a lot of money, let’s say like billions of dollars from black market marijuana, like cannabis back in the day when like the sort of California mountains was a really hot reef.

Psilo Toad (03:57.598)
and supply like a lot of the United States with the supply, he made a lot of money and so he has this land out there and it’s called Yeti land. yeah, it was one of these like really small festivals. There’s probably like maybe 2,000 people there max. yeah, it was a very drug heavy, like a lot of drug consumption for sure. Like there isn’t a lot, all those things, but sometimes you can go to festival that’s more like conscious space and there’s a lot of, know, it’s really like breath work

Psilo Toad (04:27.538)
workshop based and but this was definitely like a lot of heavy drug use which I like I always find that sort of like at facet of American subculture really interesting right especially this one because it like it was like this like

Psilo Toad (04:42.458)
What we came to realize over the course of being there, and I’m probably gonna have to end up editing some of this out honestly of the final episode that we put out, but what I came to realize while we were in the course of being there that what Yeti Land was, because I described Yeti to you, but like the people who worked there and the walkie talkies and the people we were buying ketamine from and like the people that Eric knew and I was being introduced to and things, it was essentially like a Northern California like drug cartel. Yeah, they’re really nice people.

Psilo Toad (05:12.382)
Really cool guys, but yeah, they’re like grateful connected to like the Grateful Dead and the tour managers like Some of them some of them are the children of people who are tour managers for Grateful Dead So there’s this really it was really really interesting. I actually ended up doing MDA for the first time. My god, it was I like I liked it better than MDMA like if I’m just being completely honest Yeah

Psilo Toad (05:19.182)
Wait, Babko?

Psilo Toad (05:31.096)
I like him, VA. I like him, VA.

Psilo Toad (05:37.102)
Yep, I get that sometimes as well. Dude, we have

Psilo Toad (05:40.444)
some right-handed MDMA. Which is that cereal isomer, right? That’s what the Thai, not MDA, but the right-handed versions of these, I guess, is more psychedelic, less amphetamine.

Psilo Toad (05:44.966)
Fuck yeah.

Psilo Toad (05:56.196)
Yeah, yeah,

Psilo Toad (05:57.49)
it was

Psilo Toad (05:59.098)
very, very, like you just said, very psychedelic. was very visual, very, but at the same time, very stimulating and empathogenic, things. It was very long lasting, right? And then we also ended up doing, the three of us, was me, Christian, Eric, were the three owners of Minnesota Nice. We were in our tent at night, we were all rolling off the MDA, and we did ketamine, and dude, it felt like we were in this like combined like journey spaceship thing going through this like,

Psilo Toad (06:10.124)
Yep.

Psilo Toad (06:29.112)
You know, because ketamine is that kind of funny, it’s this double-edged sword of it feels really important, and I think that to some degree it is, but it’s also like it can be a trap. You know I’m saying? That feeling of importance within a really deep ketamine experience and experiencing that with them in the combination of MDA, all three of us together. I was getting this very tryptamine-like feel from the ketamine, which I usually don’t get. Usually the associates by themselves have this colder edge, which could be fun in its own way.

Psilo Toad (06:59.032)
interesting in insightful in some way but like with the MDA it truly felt like I was in this like tryptamine palace like in the more ketamine I took the more visual it became and yeah it was a it was a really really fun experience I met this girl she was really really sweet she was the first bald-headed chick that I had ever been attracted to in my life she just had this energy about her I told her right off the bat I was like I have a girlfriend like you know was like you’re you’re lovely you know we

Psilo Toad (07:28.862)
We flirted and we conversed for a long period of time, but she was really attractive for a bald woman. She shaved her head, purposefully. Not that I anything against bald women at all, I just generally don’t find myself super attracted to them, but she was really attractive. So that was kind of new for me. But also I have to ask myself how much of that was truly my attraction to her and also the situation, the fact that I was on NBA.

Psilo Toad (07:58.782)
stuff.

Psilo Toad (07:59.63)
sexual motivations. That’s a new one now. Yeah, that’s a new brow. Yeah, the only thing I wanted to cover, Gabe, was I went up and visited Scott Sellers up at the church at the Total Light. The folks who, Ken Nelson, the Army Ranger, who first spoke to us. So yeah, I went up there and visited them and well, visited Scott and hung out them.

Psilo Toad (08:02.83)
Yeah

Psilo Toad (08:14.94)
Mm-hmm.

Psilo Toad (08:28.046)
They want to help us, yeah, start a sanctuary in Arizona to start protecting the toads and understanding how to restore them and that kind of stuff. Yeah, because there’s some, you know, and we can just go right into whatever. Like this is stuff we can share. But so many people are like keyboard warriors and like leave the toads alone, five in the ODMT, all this stuff. And I get that, like, if you can make it in a lab.

Psilo Toad (08:56.568)
But if you want to make it in a lab, it’s 5X in reagents of toxic waste to make one of a… So if you’re making a kilo of 5-amiodmt, you have to use five kilos of toxic waste products, or you create five kilograms of toxic waste products. What you doing with this? So there is no golden goose egg that’s out there just fucking laying golden geese. And so we know in like…

Psilo Toad (09:25.582)
Human behavior, animal conservation, is something that, you know, we don’t always make the right choices, but we know what the science behind our conservation efforts are and how to do it the best. you know, in reality, when you stress a population and they don’t die, they typically grow back stronger and more robust. And so I would argue that, like milking the toads and having people be taught how to do it

Psilo Toad (09:54.926)
properly and doing that process will actually increase conservation and it will increase the population and the resiliency of the population. Because now you have people that actually care about the animals. They’re not avoiding them. They’re going out there they’re seeing and they’re interacting. And that’s key. And that’s the education part, right? And so I think that the pure, and I won’t leave the pure toe as far as like for works. If I’m working with someone and

Psilo Toad (10:02.588)
Mm.

Psilo Toad (10:08.976)
Yeah.

Psilo Toad (10:11.738)
Right. So.

Psilo Toad (10:23.343)
They want to crack all the way open, like I want to put nature in there.

Psilo Toad (10:26.396)
Yeah,

Psilo Toad (10:27.634)
is interesting thing that you’re bringing up. I’m sorry to interrupt you, what you’re just describing into it, because I’ve heard this argument on both sides of people claim that with the full spectrum.

Psilo Toad (10:31.902)
please, we’re freestylin’ dude.

Psilo Toad (10:46.94)
towed 5-MeO, that that is a different experience than, like say, just straight synthetic 5-MeO, right? And then I’ve heard people argue that, there’s no way because, you know, sort of other alkaloids present within it aren’t within high enough concentrations to produce an effect and things. And I think it’s one of those things where I think everyone has to humble themselves to a degree of, I think there’s a lot of unknown here that

Psilo Toad (11:17.014)
all kind of simultaneously figuring out together. I do think that definitely people on the materialistic side of things need to humble themselves to that fact. I think that people on the sort of buffo heavy side of things need to humble themselves to the fact of placebo and stuff. there’s also, it kind of comes back to this unknown aspect and we’re discovering. I guess I say all that just to kind set the scene for the audience and there’s this really

Psilo Toad (11:46.974)
debate that’s been ongoing for this for a long time but what do you guys think of that sort of argument? What is your stance on it?

Psilo Toad (11:55.318)
Sure, well.

Psilo Toad (11:58.742)
It’s the same molecule and it affects people the same whether it’s pure synthetic or whether it’s 5-MeO and the Sonoran Desert Toads exudate. And I think it’s more that any of this absolutism with these medicines just doesn’t work. know, like Ben just said, it’s unrealistic to… You can say, this synthetic might be, you know, more efficient and…

Psilo Toad (12:28.876)
more

Psilo Toad (12:58.574)
And there is a special kind of lift that comes from smoking the toad that with the smoking of pure synthetic, you do get a little bit of that pure THC kind of effect. know, right? We’re all one molecule. And yeah, ultimately, we want to teach people how to protect and conserve and restore the toads.

Psilo Toad (13:26.102)
And then people can decide whatever they want to do. I think anyone telling people what they should do like that, it’s a lot of overreach. Well, there’s not much to talk about, right, psychedelics. Exactly. So seems like the more we talk about behavior modifications, and can listen to the people talk. When they’re talking about behavior modifications, there’s nothing interesting, right? So they’re just using that as control mechanisms to isolate things and pathways for their own interests. People are all out for themselves.

Psilo Toad (13:35.545)
it.

Psilo Toad (13:55.228)
Mmm.

Psilo Toad (13:55.7)

Psilo Toad (13:56.216)
And not it’s wrong or right, it’s just what I notice. And so, you know, fair enough, if what you’re out for is a nonprofit and trying to get people help and like get them medicine, sure, like I get it. But I just look at people’s motivations and like why they’re speaking about things like MDMA-AT. Like, of course, therapists are gonna be jockeying for assisted therapy. Everyone who’s in licensing, of course, because they’re fighting for their own

Psilo Toad (13:58.906)
Yeah, it’s a really interesting tape.

Psilo Toad (14:24.248)
survival, their own way to work in the game versus community versus church versus neighborhood tribe, whatever, however you want to organize it versus that model where people and communities are doing it there’s education and there’s resources for people that they can plug into but they’re not required to go through because I don’t want to get my stuff through someone’s identity, someone’s ego that may or may not have

Psilo Toad (14:52.782)
done the work themselves and understands these compounds. so, you know, I think this is like looking at the greater landscape. The isolated 5-MeO molecule is great and it does things. If you’re just going in for full release, like I’m gonna go in and get some 5-MeO like for release, of course it’s gonna do that. Of course it’s gonna do that. But I think there’s so much more to the work, you know? When you look at it agnostically, there’s so much more that goes into the process when you’re working with some natural medicines with a different approach, with a more

Psilo Toad (15:20.828)
Mm.

Psilo Toad (15:22.444)
like nature-centric approach and more holistic approach where it just completes the story energetically, not just, not just pharmaceutical, but like energetically. And that’s part of the disconnection that we’ve all had as humans. We’ve taken the experience away from the solution. So we got all these pills that fix all these things. And so when someone’s gonna monetize the God molecule, they’re gonna say, this.

Psilo Toad (15:26.492)
B.

Psilo Toad (15:32.624)
Yeah.

Psilo Toad (15:50.35)
Molecule fixes this problem, you know, when it’s all said and done, they go through all these trials. But there’s a, it’s not, I don’t see it that way, but that’s my own personal perspective, but I think that it all is kind of touching the same, it’s all touching each other. All these afflictions, all these neuroses, they’re all like stemming from very similar origins. And if not, they’re like manifesting the same way in people’s bodies. changing the conversation to like mental fitness,

Psilo Toad (15:53.21)
Yeah.

Psilo Toad (15:55.846)
No.

Psilo Toad (16:00.966)
Yeah.

Psilo Toad (16:19.124)
and using these compounds to optimize one’s life. And it’s a continuum of process where you work with these medicines over the curve of your life. And that’s what really gives you a good way to output and process information. There’s not like, OK, I this pill, PCSD’s over. It’s a process. It’s work. so when I’m working with stuff, that’s why I like mushrooms, because they’re natural, and I can work with them. And it’s going to be varying experience.

Psilo Toad (16:28.25)
Yeah.

Psilo Toad (16:37.222)
Yeah.

Psilo Toad (16:46.584)
but I can trust it 100%. I’m like, it’s gonna give me what I need and it’s safe.

Psilo Toad (16:54.716)
Yeah man, you were describing about the difference between sort of Bufo and straight synthetic 5-MeO, it’s obviously different but it reminded me a little bit of something like that I’ve experienced, there’s a huge difference in like say growing your own psilocybin and like taking 4-ACO DMT. Could even be from the great reputable manufacturer and the reason why I feel like it’s similar

Psilo Toad (17:24.75)
It’s because with that relationship, those two different relationships that I’ve experienced, they’re very similar experiences, right? But they’re also different in their own regard, in their own very special way. And I don’t think one is necessarily better than the other. In fact, I think both have unique use cases in my life and on my path and probably on other people’s,

Psilo Toad (17:46.618)
Yeah, yeah. And that thing you were saying too about the sort of like these things following us, us growing with these things in the curve of life. This is something I’ve thought a lot about because, you know, there’s that old quote by Alan Watts where he says, you know, once you get the message, you hang up the phone. And I’ve heard a lot of people beckon that. And there’s, I agree and disagree with that statement because like I think

Psilo Toad (18:15.356)
to certain degree there is a time and a place to stop taking the things and take some time off and to integrate like we all talk about. But I also think in a way that there’s always more to be learned. That’s the feeling that I get. it feels like I’m always evolving and so these things are always of evolving with me. And I also have met people that beckon this message so hard of like sober up, integrate, hang up the phone.

Psilo Toad (18:30.571)
Exactly, exactly.

Psilo Toad (18:45.31)
I’ve met quite a few of these individuals now and it’s a funny sort of pattern that I notice and I truly feel like it comes from a place of sort of, I think it’s a projection in a way. think a lot of these individuals have reached a place where the sort of, they’ve reached a level with it where there is truly like a sort of spiritual discipline that’s necessary and there’s a lot of true internal work that happens within the experience that is hard for people to sometimes come back.

Psilo Toad (19:15.33)
to a lot and to push themselves out of their comfort zone. It’s almost kind of like an ice bath. I remember Dennis McKenna was talking about Terrence McKenna one time on Joe Rogan’s podcast and he was talking about Terrence towards the end of his life and he said that it really interesting because Terrence was this very outspoken sort of psychedelic advocate, thought leader guy, right? And towards the end of his life he really wasn’t taking a lot of psychedelics at all.

Psilo Toad (19:45.15)
Dennis said regarding that, he was saying that…

Psilo Toad (19:50.96)
He felt like it was because Terrence had reached this point where the psychedelic experiences stopped being so external, focused on the external, know, the aliens and the, you know, it really, and it truly became internal. And he had to look at himself and he had a hard time coming back to that. And he felt like it was kind of a conundrum that his brother experienced towards the ends of his life of being the psychedelic advocate, prophet guy, but he had a hard time taking psychedelics himself. And I’ve seen this in other people too.

Psilo Toad (20:21.314)
And so I really appreciate that thing you said about if you follow them with the curve of your life. And I’m not saying that everybody needs to take psychedelics for the entirety of their life or anything like that. But I don’t know, man. At the same time, I’ve had this feeling for myself of like, you know, there is time to take time off. But also if it’s been a very long time, it’s like, why am I not able to show up for this thing that I know is, yeah, I to push down my comfort zone, but it’s ultimately always been beneficial for me, you know?

Psilo Toad (20:52.16)
I mean, the older I’ve gotten and the more I have woven into culture outside of the military, the more when I work with psychedelics, it sort of illuminates everything. so it’s really I’m seeing myself learn the process of witnessing what my resistance is. for me, it manifests as

Psilo Toad (21:21.102)
scenarios or things that I missed, as far as caring for my family or making sure that things are properly put away or safe or whatever, I notice it will show me the things that I’ve unfinished or uncleaned. And it’s like, OK, it’s to show me in a very direct way that is related to how I see the world. And I can see that.

Psilo Toad (21:50.03)
when I started this journey with, I wouldn’t say like ignorance, but with total unknowing of anything and limited experiences outside the military experiences and living in a military population, really. So I had that safety net where if I felt uncomfortable, I could go and see everyone in fucking uniforms. And I’m like, okay, I’m safe, I’m good, everything’s good. But now, switching that into like civilian life, I do deep dives less frequently. Because when I do,

Psilo Toad (22:18.842)
I’m going through a lot of the stuff, the resistance stuff, where I’m seeing the truth for what it is. And it’s not my own shit anymore. I’ve moved through that. But now it’s like, this is what society is built on. This is the foundation. And it’s not fucking great. And so in the ignorant mind, it’s all sunshine or rainbows, and TV and movies and superheroes. But the truth is, it’s built on a foundation of suffering.

Psilo Toad (22:44.776)
And you start to see that stuff. And the psychedelics don’t let you look away from it. It’s like you take them and you’re like, you can’t look away. You can’t do the dancing part until you accept. And so it’s helped me a lot with accepting what really is. we actually had the conversation this morning with one of the vets on our hike. And it was interesting because we’re talking about good guys and bad guys.

Psilo Toad (22:49.36)
Yeah.

Psilo Toad (22:52.86)
Yeah.

Psilo Toad (23:03.417)
Yeah.

Psilo Toad (23:14.37)
realizing that good guys don’t have to wear a uniform and walk around with guns all day. And so I’m just reminded because they look like good guys. like, I’m a good guy. I’m here to protect you. I’m here to keep you safe. But why do you have to present in a militarized fashion? Because you can say one thing, but you can be completely flip-flopped. And I think that’s what we’ve gotten to as a society. And psychedelics will show people this, especially people that want to see.

Psilo Toad (23:37.67)
Yeah.

Psilo Toad (23:40.208)
Yeah.

Psilo Toad (23:44.016)
Yeah, and I think…

Psilo Toad (23:45.668)
I’m going lay this on you guys and I’ve laid this on a few people now. But what you were just saying brought this up for me. I heard this on a podcast a weeks ago, I forget who it was, but this guy said that essentially love equals responsibility, right? He was describing it, was like, you if you love your children, you’re responsible for showing up as a good father and for nurturing them, there’s a responsibility that comes with that. If you love your houseplant, you’re going to like water it and give it sunlight. There’s a response. Like if you really break it down, it seems like love truly does kind of equal responsibility.

Psilo Toad (24:15.942)
And what you’re describing about this sort of like this really deep thing that comes up in a lot of these psychedelic mystical experiences is There’s simultaneously this once again this love and responsibility this deep level of love and empathy and understanding and gnosis of things But because of that there’s this deep sense of responsibility right and that deep sense of responsibility Can be very is it I think is very heavy you know especially with the sort of like state of things

Psilo Toad (24:45.723)
with all of the darkness that is sort of present. Yeah, yeah, that’s just kind of what came to mind for me when you were speaking on that.

Psilo Toad (24:57.148)
Yeah, so I also did combo for the first time whenever I was in LA. Have you guys ever done combo?

Psilo Toad (25:02.509)
Yeah, yeah,

Psilo Toad (25:05.186)
Yes.

Psilo Toad (25:06.428)
It was really interesting. the facilitator woman, asked us, she was like, a number one through seven. I went first, like picking first. I was immediately like seven because that’s my lucky number. And so she gave me seven gates and she did it. the, one of them peeled off it looks like, but she did it in the shape of a cross. So I was like, it was really interesting. She was going to put it on. She was like, is there a certain like shape or pattern or something you want? And I was like, no, was like,

Psilo Toad (25:36.392)
do whatever you want. So was like, I want to do a cross. And I was like, go. I was like, cool. And so yeah, I did seven gates. It was really intense. I purged for like four or five hours, like a lot. Like top and bottom purge. And when I finally came back to life, it was like four or five hours of just my stomach being in this like the worst cramping pains I’ve ever felt ever. Just constantly vomiting, drinking water, vomiting.

Psilo Toad (26:05.198)
How do you work with Kratom a lot or frequently?

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you

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I’ve definitely used Kraken quite a bit in the past. I’ve never gotten into an addictive pattern with it. Yeah.

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Well, Combo’s going to purge all that stuff. Combo’s going to purge all

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that stuff. sometimes, yeah, had a friend that was working with Traydom a bit. And he had actually quit for a while and then went and did Combo. And almost exactly what you’re describing is what his situation was as well. So it’s just like a massive purge of getting all that tech. But it’s good, because now you got cleaned out. You got cleaned out.

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Mmm.

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interesting.

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That’s it.

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interesting you said because like whenever and my armpits like I like The odor that my armpits were emitting was this really unique odor that I had never smelled Not only on myself, but just any other human being I never smelled this odor coming out of it was truly like this weird detox and I remember it wasn’t Super visionary the experience but I remember this moment when I was on my hands and knees in front of my bucket and I like there’s this feeling on my hands like this in that position like all my hands like that and like my you know your face swells up and your

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throat’s like swelled up, I felt like the frog. I felt the frog spirit like energy in me. It was really really cool because it was also like that pulsating feeling like going to your legs, the tingling and yeah it was a combo was really interesting and it was a really nice sort of like afterglow thing that we all got to ride into the festival with. Yeah.

Psilo Toad (27:34.574)
So you combo right before, wow. So you got clean. That’s great. That’s a great move. Yeah, once you do combo, you’re accessing your lymph system with the combo. You burn off that top layer, just like you’d get from a blister. And that’s your lymph system underneath. So all the stuff you were smelling out of your armpits are basically, those are like lymph drainage points on your body.

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Yeah.

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And then once you’ve done that peptide, then you can do these other venoms. recently I got to do a Cobra venom offered by a veteran. And my point is they’re using the same process as combo. They’re giving you gates on certain parts of your body, putting super small amounts of the venom on there and letting it go in, that, yeah, there’s no effect on your digestive tract like there is a combo. So you feel effects.

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But yeah, it’s not the same kind of purge or approach.

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I saw a documentary one time of a guy who owns a shit ton of venomous snakes and he has for like probably two decades now been self-injecting with snake venom and he said he’s like 40 something years old, he feels incredibly healthy, he looks incredibly healthy and vital, he’s super energetic, super lean, seems happy. There was a guy, his sort of inspiration was this other guy who had done it, who had self-injected snake venom

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Yeah.

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his entire life, like zookeeper type individual and he lived to be like a hundred something years old. And so yeah, I think there’s something to the venom thing, man. I truly felt like when I said I came back to life after like my stomach finally lit up and it was just kind of all of sudden, I slept for like five hours of hell. It was like, all right, you’re fine. And I…

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Woo!

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You pass through the gate.

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I felt dude, felt like this rite of passage and I felt like seriously, honestly still, I feel very clean. My energy just felt like, I feel very grateful that I got to, because combo was something I was always interested in but I always knew it would just present itself to me at the right time and that was sort of what happened. I can definitely see it being a medicine that I go back to at some other point.

Psilo Toad (30:00.004)
Yeah, do you guys have any interesting stories and experiences with combo?

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In Austin we have a thing called cedar fever. The junipers here put out their pollen. I think it’s like what the first week of December. people just, you your nose just becomes a faucet. And so the longer you live here, the longer it accumulates. And I was getting all that built up anihistamine response. And then I heard from a friend of mine in Duncombe that took care of the cedar fever.

Psilo Toad (30:32.888)
So I went and did it myself, got five gates, the whole drink a ton of water, the whole wet approach. And yeah, it fixed it like that. I I purged out all sorts of bile and everything. Yeah, and whether it was accumulated pollen.

Psilo Toad (30:42.884)
Wow.

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I have not had

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any allergy issues. I haven’t thought about that since I did it. haven’t had any allergy issues. That’s something I’ve been having to deal with basically my entire life. The one thing that’s really brought me a lot of relief is the consistent use of Hop-A, weirdly enough. It seems to really help a lot. This is the time of year when a lot of people get hit really heavy with it. It’s like October and stuff. I’m right now incredibly cleared.

Psilo Toad (31:02.626)
Yeah, sure.

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interesting.

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all the know your topology right the nerve growth factors and you’re purging that stuff out of your liver your gallbladder all the different piles and yeah that stuff accumulates so if you’ve got literally pollen in you that helps to get rid of it too.

Psilo Toad (31:35.772)
Yeah. Ian, quick question for you. Do you know, or I guess both of you, but I have a feeling Ian might know the answer this, but do you know anything about the 5-HT5A serotonin receptor?

Psilo Toad (31:51.085)
Wow.

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Lastly, I’ll just say one thing, Dr. Jack Aloka, who’s a top neuroscientist who’s on our board of silo cap, he gave a talk at the Bufo Congress and he went into the one, the two, the three, all the way to the seven and he was explaining how these other receptors even work when your ego’s turned off and you can remember stuff. yeah, tell me about the five. What does the five do?

Psilo Toad (32:17.915)
What?

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I

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need to do more research on it. I literally heard about this like maybe 45 minutes before our podcast was in a conversation with a friend that I was having on the phone, Christian, because he had just came across something and he was like, we need to look into this, whatever. yeah, apparently there was some paper he found where muscimol that alkaloid within Obedia muscaria that affects our GABA receptors for sure,

Psilo Toad (32:27.426)
Ha ha.

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and likely has other cross activity, other receptors like most compounds do. But it looks like it probably has activity at that 5-HT, 5-A serotonin receptor and I just thought that that was really interesting because people report these unique sort of possible psychedelic effect, quote unquote psychedelic effects from Amanita and I think a lot of that is driven by the sort of glutaminergic activity of the ibotenic with that sort ketamine like effect but also I’ve taken just straight synthetic muscovines

Psilo Toad (33:19.742)
and have had pretty trippy experiences as well too. So wouldn’t surprise me if the muscimole was doing something with 5HT5A but I’m going to have to look more into that. I was just, I didn’t know if you had any insights on 5HT5A or not.

Psilo Toad (33:39.246)
they were doing to do some of this analysis and they were doing a high dose 5-MeO DMT and DMT wearing all these EKGs and then they could see which different brain waves someone would have depending upon which medicine and he was just describing like what happened in the 5-MeO whiteout how come or forget that take that word away for a second but in the 5-MeO deep dive assuming you don’t want it out

Psilo Toad (34:02.67)
How do you, with your ego turned down, still remember? How do you remember? Because you’re not you anymore. So how do you remember? And then how do you still record it where you can later remember what happened? And he was like, it’s the 5-HT7 receptor. That’s like divination. And then in awe, literally, here’s a scientist called divination awe. And then he’s like, and this other receptor here is what allows you, even though your personage doesn’t exist.

Psilo Toad (34:30.382)
to actually be able to still be recording and remember when you come back and remember it as you’re on memory. I was like, wow, I can’t wait to learn more. And like we’re all saying, we’re figuring all this out, but it’s not like these things work in one receptor and they don’t work in another. They’re working across. Yeah, multiple. Whoa.

Psilo Toad (34:41.605)
You

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yet.

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Yeah,

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so that’s really interesting. I came across an article, I even just posted about this on social media earlier today, it was an article and wired about how psilocybin mushrooms are getting stronger and stronger and stronger. And it really interesting because this is first of all something I’ve experienced as a consumer, you know what saying, over the past five years.

Psilo Toad (35:09.55)
Yeah. Nice. Great.

Psilo Toad (35:17.815)
Selective breeding, It’s

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like cloning. People are following the best, the biggest, most fruiting, most prolific fruiting clusters, like three mushrooms. then at minimum, you clone from there. So yeah, I think that’s what’s good. We’re going to see that as more more people play in this space.

Psilo Toad (35:36.282)
Yeah, one of the things that was interesting within the article is this guy was chiming in on it. They got some, you know, expert’s opinion. forget who it was, whatever. But he was saying how it reminded him a lot of the cannabis space and how over time, you know, you know, flour has gotten a lot more concentrated, especially in THC. It’s just, and he was saying how he felt like overall.

Psilo Toad (36:05.66)
to the end consumer that that was actually more problematic than a less concentrated form and he felt like really super concentrated psilocybin would make it harder for the consumer to accurately dose. He was describing like, right, if people are already having to go down to 0.1, 0.2 grams to effectively, quote unquote, micro dose efficaciously for themselves, was like, if strains just keep getting stronger and stronger,

Psilo Toad (36:35.614)
people are to have a harder time with microdosing. And then he said, I feel like the important, what more attention and energy needs to go towards is like the importance of ceremony and set and setting, know, even throughout the lab. But yeah, I just, I, and I’m not saying all that because I necessarily agree with him by any means. I just thought it was interesting. I want to see your guys sort of like input on it.

Psilo Toad (36:59.234)
I mean, I think it’s a great thing. Keep it coming, because people want to be incentivized, and psychonauts are the ones that are continuing to hammer this medicine and bring it to the people. And I think people that have a problem with being unable to navigate dosing, then they should be buying pragmatic products that are finished and that are measured from a company and not buying in bulk from their homies.

Psilo Toad (37:02.417)
Yeah.

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Yeah. You have to be a ninja.

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And the ones that buy a boat from the homies, you have to ride the wave. And that’s the acceptance part,

Psilo Toad (37:34.003)
where it’s like, well, you just got to able to ride the You just got to be like, hey, I’m going to ride the wave. It’s going to be big. It’s going to be small. if you’re buying something new from someone, if you’re acquiring something new from someone, you should always titrate your first dosing. That way you know, no matter what. I’m not going to just take something from them. Now, when we go on hikes, sometimes people would be handing me shit, and I’d just be like, put it in my mouth. That’s cool, because we’re out in the place to do that.

Psilo Toad (37:55.034)
Yeah.

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Hey.

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But if

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I’m taking my own, if I’m going to my homie and I’m like, hey, I need to get a half ounce of mushrooms, and I’m going to take like 0.25 to try them out and be like, OK, what kind of effects am I getting? Or I’ll just do a deep dive, which is I just go an eighth. I’ll just take an eighth, my shit up, and be like, OK, let me get a good baseline for this. So part of the mushrooms is they’re really self-teaching. They’re self-teaching. They’re going to give you all the wisdom you need.

Psilo Toad (38:08.241)
Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But you’ve got to do it. whether they’re strong, because really my favorite mushrooms are the ghost strain, which are like a true albino golden feature. And they are like 2.7 % was the last test that was done on the mushrooms that I’ve worked with.

Psilo Toad (38:44.06)
Yeah. And this article,

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on this article one dude had his up to 5 % bro. Isn’t that fucking crazy? Yeah.

Psilo Toad (38:51.118)
Yeah, like cofactors and shit like that’s total

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alkaloids. Yeah, I think the max is well when it’s dried It’s 8 % of what it was when it was wet So I think isn’t 7 % the top alkaloid content you can get out of the genetics? So without doping but more what I’m saying is if you take if I take a small dose of that I can go like okay, so I took I mean I did six grams with that and I’m like, okay I understand the baseline and that’s where I that’s where I learned so much that

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mushrooms like 4-H-O-D-M-T is DMT. At its purest form, because I sat in DMT, like real DMT land for over an hour, as far as I remember. It felt very surreal and very asymmetrical, not anamorphic, like polymorphic, like just shifting, changing. And I was there for a while. was like, OK, I get this. I get this feeling. But that’s the

Psilo Toad (39:46.84)
That’s the importance of really working with these medicines. And we know they’re safe, right? 13,000 years of recorded history, but much longer, we know. And so taking small doses and being a human being, a human being that feeds themselves, clothes themselves, has a job maybe, has a place that they can like close a door and lock it, and then take mushrooms, a small amount there. Because that’s all the coaching we really need.

Psilo Toad (40:15.406)
We’ve overcomplicated this medical system. We’re like, can’t have mushrooms. It should be with only a therapist. It should only be under a study, whatever. So there’s a lot of fear. Well, the system is casting fear out because that creates limitations. People run around their sympathetic nervous system, and things that are curious, it becomes fear for them, for many.

Psilo Toad (40:22.46)
Fuck that.

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Yeah.

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Why do you think so many

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thought leaders in this space play into that fear then? Because do you agree with what I just said, I guess, that sentiment in general, that a lot of thought leaders play into that fear? Yeah.

Psilo Toad (40:49.742)
Yeah, 100

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% because they’re like, just like MAPS, they build the program that MAPS certified MDMA therapists and guess the only place you can get certified from MAPS or at least they started and built the training program. they’re just like any education, just like colleges, they create the curriculum and that controls the whole system. Because when you teach the person, give them the training, they become the self-fulfilling prophecy.

Psilo Toad (41:19.566)
So you’re basically creating that, you’re creating your own whatever you want because education is you’re going into this place where you’re reshaping other human’s minds and thoughts. And so I would say that it’s so important for us to continue to educate the community and provide free access to wisdom and intelligence because otherwise we’re going to go back to the old therapy model under the pharmaceutical process.

Psilo Toad (41:47.928)
I mean, no fault to them. They don’t know how to do it any other way. They don’t know how, because they’re not coming from the medicine space. They’re doctors. They’re researchers. So they come through their own. Right. But if they were working with these medicines, they’d be like, OK, it’s not so risky. It’s not so problematic anymore. But then most of them aren’t.

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Yeah.

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They exist within those incentives. Yeah, they exist within those.

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Right, they exist within those incentive structures so they are consistently

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A lot of

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them went and did one ceremony at, you know, if you think of like medical professionals, they probably went to some medicalized place and did a ceremony. Well, what I would call a ceremony, maybe they’ll call it whatever. And so now their medical brain goes, let me just put all, because that’s what mushrooms really do. They show you what you have available. Like, holy shit, you’ve done all these things. How can you apply that in your life? And so people are going.

Psilo Toad (42:45.132)
This is how we need to do it because they know that system. They know that model. And so, you know, I don’t fault them for that, but I just advocate for a more freedom and liberty. Because I trust people. People that can feed themselves, clothe themselves, house themselves, and take care of themselves can eat mushrooms.

Psilo Toad (43:07.226)
Right. Right. And you’re absolutely correct when you say that. We have overcomplicated it quite a bit. And it all comes back to what you said at beginning about you look at people’s true incentives. Why are they speaking about these certain things? Why are they trying to direct people in a certain way? Yeah, you really have to look at where that comes from.

Psilo Toad (43:16.674)
Yeah, that’s how people get jobs.

Psilo Toad (43:37.478)
What do you, so how important do you guys think your knowing your sources are? Like how important do you think the source is, right? Like say, let’s just say like, psilocybin mushrooms, for example. You know, do you, or LSD, let’s say LSD, cause we talked a lot about psilocybin mushrooms.

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Dude,

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LSD is huge, right? Isn’t that big fake LSD movement happening? People are getting all these bunk LSD, where they’re using another compound that it sort of presents like LSD, but it’s not. I’ve been hearing about it, but I don’t know the exact compound that’s involved. Yeah, there you go.

Psilo Toad (44:07.355)
I know it.

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Yeah,

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well I guess the M-bomb phenomenon, I don’t think that’s a huge thing anymore.

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So

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yeah, that’s just a small example, but yeah, knowing your source, I mean, unless you don’t know where the fuck to get it from, then you’ve got to find the most reputable source outside of that, which is these churches that are online that have followings that have other people, like someone knows someone.

Psilo Toad (44:38.084)
I guess what I was referring to, and I was having a hard time getting to it, describing it, I’m sorry, but it was the energetic imprint within the either manufacturing or growing of these medicines. Because just taking LSD, for example, of course you don’t want to get anything that’s not LSD, but I’ve had lot of different types of, a lot of different batches should say, of true LSD, and all of them have felt different. And I do think that a certain part of that

Psilo Toad (45:07.998)
down to like the actual manufacturing of it and the quality of the of all these things and you know the process but like also I wonder because I’ve had certain types of LSD that just like have this like you know spirit to them and they’re you know there’s this feeling of like this really wholesome energetic imprint and I’m sure like you guys have also felt this with like certain batches

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mushrooms. Also, they’ve shown that with cannabis, this communicating with and showing love to the cannabis plants, just talking to them. They’ve scientifically shown that this makes them healthier and happier plants. What do you guys think of the energetic imprint on either you growing or manufacturing your own medicine or somebody else?

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the water.

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I I’ll just comment shortly and then if you guys have stuff to fill in. I’ve grown my own mushrooms and I’ve taken mushrooms from other people and it’s a night and day difference in my experience. I think maybe less of like knowing your source, but yes, if I got them from a best friend, I’m gonna probably feel similar if they’re growing them and I understand the process. But there’s something unique about your hands being in the dirt and your hands being in…

Psilo Toad (46:33.238)
in the process and witnessing it grow like a baby and then delivering it and then consuming it. And there’s a subconscious memory that’s happening. Your subconscious mind is always recording. Whether or not your logical brain is processing it in your front, your subconscious is always recording. It’s putting patterns in. It’s putting things together. It’s breaking patterns. so when you have that, informationally, it’s energetically. Information is energy. It has weight.

Psilo Toad (47:02.838)
it starts to resonate in your process. So when you consume that, you’re really like, it’s like forming the unity where your subconscious and your conscious mind are now connecting because you’ve connected the dots. And that’s like growing it on your own. Now, from other people, I don’t know. I I definitely think that it’s super smart to know your source because, if it’s coming from a negative place or a place of torment or torture,

Psilo Toad (47:29.398)
You know, people are being forced to grow medicine and that’s going to come off in the medicine. It’ll also come off in the relationship that you exchange when you acquire the medicine. Which again, like your subconscious mind, whether or not you know it, if you’re generating fear when you’re getting your medicine, it’s not going anywhere. Like that’s going into the body, into the cells, into the soma. And so that has to be worked through in the process as I see it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Did you say Ian has to hop off here?

Psilo Toad (48:02.206)
no. No, no, no. Yeah, we’re about to judge concentrates in the terpene ball in downtown Austin. It’s all hemp and THCA. THCA. Yeah, I’ll just jump on. I’ll just jump real quick on to your question and what Ben was saying is that it does make a difference. Definitely if you can grow your own, you can taste and feel and experience the difference.

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Fuck yeah.

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love that.

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I remember a friend of mine, I don’t know, it in the past six months, he made me a 5-MeO cart, you know, which of course I’ve had those before, and this was the same strength as the cart I’d had, the 1-2. And I knew it coming from my friend, so I knew he was gonna have all these wonderful prayers and stuff on it, know? So, homey self is like, hmm, I better be just, know, take a little sip, I swear to God.

Psilo Toad (48:57.944)
You know, and I took like just a one second pull. And of course, yeah, I took more air and then held it. Yeah, and I’m glad I did that because he must have put, I don’t know, 10,000 prayers in there of love because in that one second, which is what, 0.6 of a milligram, yeah, it felt much more like five or six milligrams with all the extra love ingredient in there.

Psilo Toad (49:24.561)
Aww. I love that. That’s awesome, dude.

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Well, that’s what

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Hamilton Morris said when he took toad the first time. He’s like, you told me beforehand that the secret ingredient in these cookies was love. I wouldn’t have believed you scientifically. After taking toad, after taking five MEO, I could accept that the secret ingredient is love. so, yeah. Yeah. So for sure.

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Love.

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Yeah, that’s beautiful. I think that that may be a good place to end it off today unless there’s anything in particular you guys want to talk about.

Psilo Toad (49:56.61)
No. Smoke weed, eat mushrooms, fuck the machine. We don’t have to fight the machine anymore. Now we can fuck the machine. Well, if I had a graph, I’d show the graph. I want to drop this graph in is that it’s a really good graph. And it shows that if you take a substance, I’m just going use THC as an example, by itself and you plot it out, it’s effects are biphasic. It increases, then it plateaus, and then it drops off because it’s a.

Psilo Toad (49:59.604)
Yeah, that’s right.

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molecule by itself. But if you add that THC with a bunch of terpenes and other cannabinoids, then the curve just keeps on going at a steady slope because those other cannabinoids and terpenes help to balance the THC out. And I think that’s happening in the mushroom where you’ve got two beta carbolins in there, Harmon and Harmane. Yeah, exactly, another lesser tryptamine. So it is a real entourage effect. And I’ll just tell you,

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Mm.

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We some friends of ours sent our sacrament out for testing and You know good thing no no molds no Pesticides no any bad thing no for a to DMT They’re not set up to test for psilomitoxin of course, but the they tested for psilocybin and they tested for psilocin and the amount of psilocin in there was 2 % of the amount of psilocybin we know in regular mushrooms. It’s usually

Psilo Toad (51:23.02)
That’s usually a one-to-one. so, yeah, that five-in-a-mill had to go somewhere at Paul’s Sane. yeah, we’re still working on the bigger… The what? The psilocybin, the psilocybin. Exactly. Now, they’re showing recently that if you feed mushrooms enough phosphate, they won’t make any psilocybin or psilocin.

Psilo Toad (51:30.872)
Yeah, well that Silicone had to go somewhere, I said that Silicone had to go somewhere.

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So I’m just saying, think the future of a of this is exactly these entourage effects and these other relative chemicals. And it’s all from adding different things to the substrate. the point is you can still trust the mushroom to deliver the entourage effect. That’s what I knew. I wasn’t afraid of, I’m going to feed the mushrooms five times a year, and they’re going to make something that kills me. I’m like, the mushrooms, because the way they do, they either

Psilo Toad (52:14.914)
break it down into something more usable to other creatures and other plants, or they make it even better. like, we were trusting the mushrooms. They just survive it. They’re like anything.

Psilo Toad (52:31.26)
awesome. yeah guys. much love everybody. Peace out.